Former Ambassador, Akbar Ahmed, engages with World Bank Economist, Ahmed Nauraiz Rana, in an insightful and illuminating discussion unraveling the causes of Pakistan’s current socioeconomic status, deliberating upon what needs to be done for national revival. 76 years post independence, Pakistan is arguably at the lowest of lows. Economically, it is teetering at the brink of default on sovereign debt, while socially it is projecting various signs of utter degeneration evident from indicators on gender equality, justice, corruption, ethnic fragmentation, and more. Was Pakistan always bent upon this trajectory since its very inception, or was there a turning point in history that propelled the country in a downward spiral?