This week, Jason and Steven continue their conversation with Pakman Shok and TY. Pakman discusses his love of music and his process while also getting deep into the music industry as a whole.

Shok also discusses the music video that was filmed at Jason's backyard, complete with derby cars.

Shok also discusses how he got introduced to the word of Demolition Derby.

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