Our guests on this episode are Dr. Ira Byock and Dr. Kevin Murphy of the Institute for Human Caring of Providence St. Joseph Health. In this chat, Ira and Kevin discuss bringing uniformity to all palliative care programs at this 50 hospital health system serving communities across 7 states. The interview, which took place at the 2017 CAPC National Seminar, touches upon several key topics such as making the business case for palliative care, the importance of educating all clinicians in palliative care skills, and creating a health system culture that stays true to its core values.