Pam and David Dylan Thomas take the diversions counter off the charts talking about David's work in inclusive design and filmmaking, the nature of time, personal brands giving the ick, and the challenges faced in the tech industry and The Internet At Large. Why talking about ideas feels better than "talking about yourself," the impact of success on artistic expression, and the implications of language in politics and democracy. There's also diversions into: mindfulness and meditation, why nightmares becoming real is less scary than other things, and the movie Network and how it's SO still relevant. Just listen to the episode, ok.