Pam wasn’t eager to talk about race for the @ManListening #podcast— and that was nine months and a lifetime ago. But off-mic she and I talk about race all the time — and Jesus, and sex, and White (House) supremacists and the Pittsburgh Steelers. All the things we should avoid. She made it clear - she is not your “white people whisperer.” Now, she gave permission for us to air this but she says she wouldn’t do it today: “I’m a different person. As a black woman, I’m tired of talking.” I may not want to hear this, but I need it.

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