In this episode, Kathy meets dynamo Dani Rukin, aka The Daring Vegan. The two discuss:

-- the similarities between Dani's two "coming out" experiences -- one as a lesbian, the other as a vegan

-- how an elephant named Kaavan was Dani's "gateway" to veganism

-- the many, many forms Dani's activism takes

-- how even during a pandemic, there's a great deal we can do for the causes we care about