As the public face of Tether, Bitfinex, and now also Holepunch, Paolo is arguably the most important man in crypto today.  You can't tell though, as he remains a down-to-earth techie with a passion for Bitcoin, economic freedom and simply making global financial infrastructure more efficient and accessible. We discuss the importance of the wrath of god in the creative process, how cloud is a lie, Keet as both the Bittorrent and Bitcoin of communications, DeFi (mixed feelings),  CBDC's, and a look into 2023.