Jeff & Jeremy finally put the Hopkins/Jacobs notion of tiny alien doctors doing malevolent things to rest. This is it, folks. Game over for that meme. Why? Because they dont do it alone. They have a very special guest: Debbie Kauble, a.k.a. Kathie Davis from Budd Hopkins landmark book, Intruders. Debbie is the first abductee to talk openly about having had her pregnancy stolen from her by aliens to make a hybrid baby. She is the poster child for the alien doctors narrative. But what does she think now some 25 years later?