In this episode, I continue to break down De Mattei’s discussion of the coronavirus. I discuss how De Matteo compares the current convulsions, both in terms of public health and the economy, with the convulsions of the 14th century. I discuss the competing impulses of interconnection and nationalism. I also discuss De Mattei’s cynicism about Keynsien approaches to rescue the economy, and the possibility of the replacement of the state by tribes and gangs.