Is interracial marriage proof that racism is fading, or does it reveal something far more complicated? Grace talks with scholar and MacArthur Fellow Dorothy Roberts about the hidden history of interracial couples in Chicago, the legacy of the racial caste system, and how the one drop rule still shapes identity today. Drawing from Roberts’ book The Mixed Marriage Project, this conversation explores passing, white privilege, and the myth that love alone can dismantle institutional racism. From the Great Migration to modern debates about race and belonging, this episode digs into what interracial marriage does and does not fix in America.

00:00:00 The Invention of Race

00:01:11 Who Is Dorothy Roberts?

00:03:37 Growing Up Between Black and White in Chicago

00:09:05 A White Father’s Early Life

00:12:04 India, Caste, and Race

00:13:19 Education, Exposure, and Book Deal

00:20:26 Interracial Marriage and the Limits of Change

00:24:13 White Privilege, Colorism, and Passing

00:28:32 The Everett Family Story

00:34:04 White Supremacy and Identity

00:39:56 Interracial Marriage, Identity, and Privilege

00:49:05 20th-Century Marriage & Civil Rights

00:54:43 Politics, Marriage, Reflection