Episode 15 of “Pastor Pastor” dives deep into the heart of pastoral ministry as Wes answers the critical but often neglected question, "What does it mean to shepherd as a soul physician?" Listen as Wes and Rob explore how pastors can discern the spiritual health of those entrusted to their care without becoming 'soul police'.  Their conversation will stretch your understanding of pastoral care and provide biblical tools to help diagnose your flock. It's a topic with eternal consequences for pastors and the souls they shepherd.

Seminary education was once the gold standard for pastoral training. What's changed, and why does it matter? In today's episode of "Pastor Pastor," Wes dives into the shifting landscape of pastoral preparation, from apprenticeships to the rise of seminaries to today's dramatic increase in online studies. He discusses why fewer pastors pursue seminary training and the ripple effects this trend may have on the church. Finally, Wes introduces an innovative program from NETS that meets the need for education and practice head-on, blending cutting-edge online learning with real-world pastoral experience.

How did New England go from a Puritan haven to a post-Christian landscape littered with empty churches? In this episode of Pastor Pastor, Wes takes us on a captivating journey through the rise and fall of the church in New England, through the so-called Enlightenment and the Great Awakenings, and onto the mission field that is New England today. Learn what is needed to set the table for revival, how NETS fits in, and why Wes holds great hope for another marvelous work of God's Spirit in New England.

In Episode 12 of "Pastor Pastor," we pick up our conversation with Wes and Sue with their seminary years. With her characteristic warmth and candor, Sue offers a behind-the-scenes look at life as Wes's faithful ministry partner throughout seminary, a church plant, and the conception of NETS. You'll discover the unique role of a pastor's wife (it might surprise you!), the particular challenges of ministry in New England, and how Sue's faith, courage, and clarity have shaped their journey and helped to forge them as an effective couple for the sake of Christ's kingdom.

In Episode 11 of "Pastor Pastor," we're joined by Wes's wife, Sue, for a candid conversation about the people and events that shaped her journey to faith, the love story that brought the couple together, and the affection and convictions that have forged their partnership in ministry and in life. Sue is Lead Women's Mentor for NETS, and her practical wisdom, sharp strategic mind, and ability to embrace life as it comes shine through as we talk. Join us for an episode packed with insight, inspiration, and plenty of laughter!

In Episode 10 of “Pastor Pastor”, Wes and Rob are joined by Reverend Shadrach Vegah, NETS graduate and the founding pastor of Gospel Baptist Church in Cameroon, as well as the NETS Center for Church Planting and Revitalization in Africa. Together, they explore the unique dynamics of church life in Cameroon, comparing what’s familiar and what’s distinct from the American church experience. 

Shadrach offers valuable insights into Cameroonian culture and Wes shares how the American church can learn from the faithfulness and resilience of believers in Cameroon. Despite the challenges and dangers Shadrach's church currently faces, he speaks to the overwhelming goodness of God in saving many in Cameroon. 

This episode is rich with wisdom and encouragement, and Shadrach’s gentle spirit and deep insight will surely bless your heart. Don't miss this compelling conversation!

In Episode 9 of "Pastor Pastor," Wes explains how the NETS Residency Program equips pastors to become exceptional preachers. Wes and Rob dive into the heart of the NETS Residency Program’s exegesis, theology, and preaching track, and its focus on crafting sermons that stay true to Scripture and are deeply relevant for the congregation. They also discuss the unique challenges and opportunities that set church planters and revitalizers apart. This episode offers practical wisdom for anyone passionate about preaching and church leadership.

In Episode 8, Wes takes us back to the days of the first NETS residents and delves into the Residency Program's unique blend of academics, applied learning, and missionary sending. Then Wes and Rob explore the Residency Program's Personal and Family track, including the critical role of the pastor's wife. Find out what listening to your wife has to do with successful pastoral leadership and discover how NETS equips your marriage to thrive even in the pressure cooker of a church plant or revitalization.

In episode 7 of Pastor Pastor, we examine the nature of true conversion and the perils of being deceived about our own salvation. Wes reflects on the early years of Christ Memorial Church and the surprising movement of God’s Spirit in committed members who were professing faith. As their eyes were opened and their hearts truly transformed, the evidence of God's saving work became clear to those around them. Wes shares how this helped clarify in his own mind the fruit of true conversion, and gently guides us through how we, as shepherds, can support others in this journey.

In Episode 6, Rob and Wes welcome a special guest to the studio—a pastor who graduated from the NETS Residency Program in 2016 and is now leading a vibrant, growing church in the heart of the Middle East. But his influence doesn’t stop there; he’s also at the forefront of a global training program that's sending pastors to plant churches around the world. This conversation is filled with gospel truth and encouragement, offering listeners a Christ-centered vision for church planting in the 10/40 Window. You won't want to miss this faith-building and edifying episode!