How does one go from an aspiring Hip Hop artist to pastor? That's the journey of Patrick Nolen, pastor of Vibrant Life Baptist Church in Sachse, Texas. Jeff and Dave ask their friend about how he met his amazing wife and what a support she has been. They talk about parenting children who were raised by a father before and after Christ came into the picture. They talk racism and why it's still around. They discuss how difficult it is to be a church planter and how pastors can't be perfect, but can be perfectly broken and real. This incredible conversation will help you realize how much Pastor Patrick values words and being an example to children as an educator.