Today's episode is special because Pastor Ray is my uncle. It is always a deeply enriching conversation when it is a family member. We discuss the truth of accepting the call to walk and to lead, the difficulties in not trying to please people, and the realization that we have to step out of the church and into communities. This a great conversation that you will want to hang around to the end for. 

You can watch this interview on YouTube: The Casual Word

We are also available to watch on King Network TV