This week on Pastors Unfiltered, Tony and Pastor Brandon sit down with Dave Nelson, Lead Pastor of Timberlake Church, for an incredibly honest conversation about ministry, leadership, anxiety, burnout, marriage, and what happens when everything you’ve built suddenly feels like it’s falling apart. Dave shares how he sensed a call to ministry as a teenager, traveled with a speaker at just 15 years old, eventually planted a church in Wisconsin, and watched that church grow rapidly. After 15 years of pastoring, however, a season of instability hit. The church lost its meeting location, attendance and giving dropped, his family was going through major challenges, and the pressure began affecting every area of his life. Dave opens up about reaching a point of complete burnout, losing confidence in himself as a leader, struggling with anxiety, and watching that stress spill over into his marriage. He shares the moment his wife left the house during an argument, the church leaders who confronted him with love, and the counseling experience that became a turning point for both his marriage and his health. Brandon also shares his own experience with anxiety and burnout, and the conversation turns toward why pastors often feel pressure to appear strong, why leaders need people who will tell them the truth, and what healthy rhythms can look like after walking through burnout. Dave shares how hiking, friendships, counseling, and reducing his preaching schedule have helped him recognize warning signs before they become another crisis. They also wrestle with vulnerability in leadership. How honest should a pastor be with their church? Can people follow a leader who admits they’re struggling? And what does it look like to lead authentically without pretending everything is okay? And before all of that, Tony and Brandon somehow find time to talk about church buildings becoming coffee shops, AI taking over the world, Harvard classes, Seattle politics, a potential trip to the White House, Raiders football, and why the Pastors Unfiltered puppet may already be retired. Timestamps 0:00 Welcome to Pastors Unfiltered
0:32 Raiders, Seahawks & Brandon’s New Church Admin
1:43 Revival Weekend in Seattle
2:23 Pastor Di Talks Herself Out of a Speaking Gig
3:30 Leaving Church Refreshed
4:07 The Seattle Church Building Drama
5:19 Losing Church Buildings in Western Washington
6:03 Doom Scrolling & Churches Becoming Coffee Shops
7:09 Why Churches Won’t Sell Buildings to Other Churches
8:10 AI, Technology & the Church
9:17 Brandon’s Upcoming Prayer Trip
10:05 Brandon Goes to Harvard… Kind Of
11:03 AI Pastors & the Future of Ministry
12:19 Terminator, Skynet & Seattle Politics
14:14 Tony’s Potential White House Opportunity
15:49 Becoming Known for One Issue
17:02 Introducing Dave Nelson
18:39 What Does Timberlake Mean?
19:15 Timberlake’s Three Campuses
19:34 Dave’s Family
20:38 Feeling Called to Ministry at 15
21:08 Traveling With a Pastor as a Teenager
21:45 Preaching at 17 Years Old
22:56 From Wisconsin to Ministry School
23:45 Early Ministry Salaries
24:38 Planting a Church in Wisconsin
25:08 Dave’s Connection to Timberlake
27:02 Launching With 623 People
27:27 Reaching 1,000 in the First Year
28:09 Growing a Church to 1,500
28:31 When Everything Started Falling Apart
29:17 Attendance & Giving Collapse
29:41 “I Felt Like a Loser”
30:02 Burnout Starts Affecting Everything
30:25 When You Can’t Even Preach
31:03 “It’s a Fire Shut Up in My Bones”
31:21 The Importance of Momentum in Church Planting
32:10 Family Crisis on Top of Ministry Crisis
32:53 Dave & Brandon Discover Their Shared Anxiety Stories
33:14 Pastors Struggle Too
34:12 When Preaching Triggers Anxiety
35:37 Walking Back Into the Hardest Season
36:26 Losing Confidence as a Leader
37:03 Stress Begins Affecting Dave’s Marriage
37:41 Dave Opens Up About His Behavior at Home
38:24 The Night His Wife Said “I’m Done”
38:58 Showing Up to Church the Next Morning
39:17 “We Don’t Judge You”
39:38 “You Need Help”
40:15 The Counseling Trip That Changed Everything
41:08 Facing the Things He Had Said
41:54 Learning Better Habits
42:21 Finding Jesus in the Darkest Moment
43:22 Healing Wasn’t Instant
43:39 “Our Marriage Is the Best It’s Ever Been”
44:06 How Long Did It Take to Feel Normal Again?
44:30 “We Want a Healthy Pastor”
44:47 The Phone Call That Changed Dave’s Perspective
45:46 “Your Marriage Would Be a Disaster Too”
46:17 Support Without Excusing the Behavior
47:00 Why Don’t Pastors Talk About Anxiety?
47:41 Thinking You’ll Never Lead the Same Again
48:25 Brandon Finds His Confidence Again During COVID
49:02 Recognizing Anxiety Triggers
49:48 Brandon’s Mandatory Month Off
50:58 Dave’s Healthy Rhythms
51:18 Preaching Only 60% of the Year
52:13 Telling the Church You’re Burned Out
52:49 How Vulnerable Should a Pastor Be?
53:07 Brandon’s Experience Sharing His Anxiety Story
53:32 Refusing to Fake Leadership
54:31 Vulnerability vs. Perceived Strength
55:16 The Pastor as the Hero
55:44 Being Completely Yourself
56:20 “How Do You Know God Is Speaking?”
56:54 Ministry in the Seattle Area
57:43 The Three Questions
58:04 What Dave Is Listening To
58:46 What Dave Is Watching
59:26 What Dave Is Reading
1:00:05 Finding Fresh Vision
1:00:26 Tony’s Book on Prayer
1:01:02 The Puppet Almost Returns
1:01:30 Closing Thoughts
1:01:52 Jesus Is the Hope of the World