Pat Gelin is an IT Security Professional and my neighbor. We are a Myers-Briggs best natural pair [ENFP-INFJ - https://thoughtcatalog.com/heidi-priebe/2015/05/6-reasons-why-enfps-and-infjs-make-the-best-friends-for-each-other/]. We have an in-depth conversation about the workplace, female empowerment, promotion in-equality, Black Lives Matter Movement, and make references metaphorical references to the Matrix/daily life. Take a listen and you will hear our natural flow and enthusiasm. If you are an INFJ, go get yourself ENFP friends to get more ideas and explore outside your head bubble. If you are an ENFP, do the same too! Find yourself some INFJ buddies who can provide you insight and can put the “why” to your ideas! For anyone else who find out their natural pairs and opposites on the Myers-Briggs, learn and do something amazing together!!