This episode of VHHA's Patients Come First podcast features an interview with Kevin De Liban (http://www.kevindeliban.com), a staff attorney with Legal Aid of Arkansas who was part of the successful litigation that overturned work rules for Medicaid enrollees in Arkansas. De Liban moonlights as the “legal lyricist,” a hip-hop artist whose song subject matter includes some of the issues he works on as a litigator. During the conversation, De Liban discusses his work, his music, and next steps in the legal battle over work rules for Medicaid enrollees. Sends questions, comments, or feedback to [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]) or contact us on Twitter (twitter.com/VirginiaHHA) using the hashtag #PatientsComeFirst (https://soundcloud.com/tags/PatientsComeFirst).