Our first patreon episode! Jolene is joined by Mikaele to talk about her research into the history of body piercing! Listen in for a fun story about a bunch of orientalist and primitivist gay guys sticking needles through each others' junk and how this birthed an entire industry.

Interview with Ash Crawford: https://news.bme.com/2007/08/04/ashley-crawford-post-gender-bmenews/

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