Jeff appears on the podcast Patrick in January of 2020. If this is your first time reviewing the podcast page of What's the Mathematics, the interview with Patrick Chappell will give you an hour dialogue and inside history of the life of Jeff McGruder. The majority of the What's the Mathematics podcast's will be short bursts of power. Patrick's show displays a different side of Jeff, and the real mathematics behind his passion for serving the world dope financial literacy and power.