Harry and Mark chat with wilder person and ecologist Paul Carter about how he came to be interested in biodiversity, what a private sector ecologist does, how parasitic worms in ponds can act as flashbulb moments, why interventions need to come with a buffet, Biodiversity Net Gain as a concept, rating and assessing habitats, native vs. invasive species, Paul's shocking contention that humans might be a problem, controlling populations and anti-natalism, changing hearts and minds, and much much more.

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