Paul Fiddes is professor of systematic theology at the University of Oxford and Principal Emeritus and Senior Research Fellow at Regent's Park College at Oxford. He is the author of numerous published works, including The Creative Suffering of God, Participating in God: A Pastoral Doctrine of the Trinity, as well as Seeing the World and Knowing God. He also published his first novel--a mystery exploring the mythology and symbolism of the unicorn, titled A Unicorn Dies:A Novel of Mystery and Ideas. We discuss his article titled, "Forgiveness, Empathy, and Vulnerability: an unfinished conversation with pamela sue anderson" published in Angelaki issue 25 in February 2020.