In this episode of Flanigan's Eco-Logic, Ted speaks with Paul Schwer, President at PAE Consulting Engineers, Inc. As the president of PAE, Paul leads a talented group of over 380 engineering, design, and business professionals creating the most energy and water efficient buildings in the world. 

Ted and Paul discuss the Living Building Challenge, and how it is the next step past LEED. Paul goes on to highlight the potential for timber framing, the PAE office building using waste as a product, and the concept for the "Irresistible Stairway" at the Bullitt Center.  He also digs deeper into changing human behavior through curiosity, and expanding our thinking through our connection to nature.