In episode 18, Shaun and Chris talk with Paul Sullivan, the founder of The Company of Dads, an inclusive community for Lead Dads. In addition to discussing the Company's mission and activities, the guys explore Paul's previous career as a columnist with the New York Times, growing up in Massachusetts, middle school, his books, Clutch and the Thin Green Line, hats, emotional labor, and golf.

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To learn more about the Company of Dads and Paul on their website: https://thecompanyofdads.com/