Sometimes an interview becomes its own hilarious podcast.

Edie Sellers, Nick Dinicola, and Steve "PB" Ortegon chat with Tim Rogers, designer, director, and founder of Action Button Entertainment about his upcoming sports multiplayer game, VIDEOBALL (yes, it's required to write that title in all caps). '

If you ever want to know what goes into a microstudio making a game for Steam and consoles, this extended interview gives you a rare insight into the joys and frustrations — from the joys of making a perfect square to the angst designers go through over menus.

Of all our interviews at PAX East 14, this is — without reservation — our favorite.