Red Lines host Anya Parampil speaks with CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou about a recent story in the New York Times which alleges Trump allies attempted to sell presidential pardons. Kiriakou speaks about his personal experience dealing with Trump insiders, including Rudy Giuliani, in order to secure a pardon, saying he was told Giuliani would work on his behalf in exchange for $2 million. Parampil also asks Kiriakou to share his thoughts on Biden’s intelligence picks.