Avi and Sajid reflect on the year and talk through what’s next in the pod, criminal justice reform, and their public defense practices. They talk about notable episodes from 2019 and share ideas about what they hope to cover in 2020. They talk about accomplishments in criminal justice reform and what they hope to see change in 2020. In the last segment, they share how their approach to pd work has changed over the year and where they want it to go. Our intro and outro are by @LeeRosevere. Remix of This is America at the break by @omniboi.