In this episode of the Nat & Mat Podcast, the conversation turns toward peace — what it is, why we want it so badly, and why chasing it can sometimes push it further away.
Nat and Mat explore ideas around presence, letting go, inner stillness, emotional resistance, and the strange human habit of over-complicating what might actually be very simple. Along the way, they reflect on everyday life, personal experiences, and the subtle difference between seeking peace and allowing it.
As always, the discussion moves freely between the philosophical and the practical, with moments of humour, honesty, and gentle insight.
This episode is for anyone who’s:

• Tired of striving
• Curious about presence and awareness
• Interested in inner peace without dogma
• Or just enjoys thoughtful conversation that doesn’t pretend to have all the answers

Settle in, breathe out, and join Nat and Mat for a grounded, meandering conversation about peace — and what might already be closer than we think.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
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