South Africa is going through an economic crisis and over the past year, there have been many debates across the public discourse on how workers pensions should be used to develop the country's development and infrastructure.

The PIC Commission of Inquiry has shown the drawbacks of how this asset should be managed and how it should be protected. Eskom and SAA are other bad examples where we have created a culture of bailouts that has emerged after State Capture Commission of Inquiry.

Guest: Zwelinzima Vavi - President South African Federation of Trade Unions