In this conversation, Thankyou Traphouse discusses his life, music projects, and creative process. He talks about growing up in Gary, Indiana, and how his musical influences shaped his sound. Thankyou Traphouse shares his approach to crafting beats and picking lyrics, emphasizing the importance of beat selection. He also discusses the rap scene in Indianapolis and his thoughts on the current state of rap. The conversation touches on the role of gatekeeping and money in the industry, as well as the pros and cons of being independent versus signing with a record label. In this conversation, Swain and THANKYOU TRAPHOUSE discuss the importance of leverage and negotiation in the music industry. They also explore the difference between taking the long way and shortcuts to success. The conversation touches on the fulfillment of the creative process and the preference for production over rapping. They discuss the challenges faced by independent artists and the need to invest in other skills. The conversation also delves into the decision to stay independent or sign a record deal, as well as the concept of selling one's soul. Finally, they discuss upcoming projects and the world of independent filmmaking.