PERC's Nick Taylor is joined by Dr Amy Horton (UCL) to discuss the political economy of care, the nature of financialization in the care system and prospects for resistance and alternatives to the status quo. Amy is the author of ‘Financialization and non-disposable women: Real estate, debt and labour in UK care homes’, which came out in 2019 in Environment and Planning: A. The conversation moves from a discussion of the interacting trends that have affected social care - privatisation, austerity and financialization - to the specific models of financial ownership at play and the crucial role that labour plays in both enabling and limiting financialization in residential care, and finally to principles for imagining an alternative future for care that recognise its social and relational value.