This conversation is with Professor Geraint Harvey. Harvey is the DanCap Private Equity Chair in Human Organization at Western University in Ontario. His research focuses on the employment relationship and the changing nature of work. Back in 2016 he published a paper titled 'Neo-villeiny and the service sector: The case of hyper flexible and precarious work in fitness centres' about the parallels between modern working arrangements of gyms and personal trainers and medieval serfdom.

I was keen to talk with Harvey about this and to ask for his help in imagining alternatives.