My guest this week is Rick Astley. We recorded this episode late in January of Lockdown Three when the world seemed bleak.

He's a rare thing, is Rick. He straddles generations. It's not just people like me in their 50s who remember him as a cheeky young baritone singer who topped the charts in the 1980s. It's those generations that sit behind me that also know him as a cultural icon. He's a meme in the game of Fortnight. I know eight-year-olds that sing his songs because of it.

Rick still has excellent reach into the entertainment industry, and I don't think he gets the credit for it.

And if you are thinking of embarking on a career in music and entertainment, you'll benefit from his words of wisdom.

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