Michael Gungor sits down with comedian Pete Holmes to explore comedy as a form of liturgy — a communal ritual that brings wounds, wonder, and absurdity into the open. They weave personal stories (from trampolines and first‑class flights to playground swings) with reflections on vulnerability, mask work, and the spiritual power of laughter.

Together they examine how jokes can heal or harm, the tension between dark and loving humor, and why shared ritual — whether a song, sermon, or stand‑up set — helps people feel seen, connected, and alive.