In this episode, Eric talks with Peter Greer—President & CEO of HOPE International, longtime practitioner in global poverty alleviation, and author/co-author of eighteen books including Mission Drift, Rooting for Rivals, and How Leaders Lose Their Way. The conversation goes deep into what poverty really is, why traditional aid often fails to produce lasting change, and how dignity-centered development can transform individuals and communities.

Peter shares how HOPE International focuses on long-term job creation, savings groups, and microenterprise rather than handouts, and why understanding the full “four domains of poverty”—material, social, spiritual, and internal—shapes more effective solutions. He and Eric also talk about how people change, what most donors misunderstand about impact, and why genuine transformation has to be built with communities rather than for them.

They cover:

• The pitfalls of short-term aid and why jobs are essential to lasting change
• Why poverty is about far more than lack of money
• How dignity, agency, and community alter long-term outcomes
• The tension between simple fundraising messages and complex development models
• Why “external engineering” fails without local ownership
• How to stay hopeful while working in places of deep need
• Practical ways individuals can engage without becoming overwhelmed
• What it means to match compassion with critical thinking

This is a grounded, clear-eyed discussion for anyone interested in meaningful impact—leaders, donors, nonprofit professionals, and anyone thinking about how change really happens.

Episode Links

• Peter Greer: https://www.peterkgreer.com
• HOPE International: https://www.hopeinternational.org
• Follow Peter on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peterkgreer/
• The conversation with Coach Rory O’Neill: https://unfoldingthought.com/rory-oneill-inside-the-matrix-of-american-youth-soccer/
• The White Man’s Burden (William Easterly): https://amzn.to/4nlBmr9
• Jeffrey Sachs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Sachs
• The conversation with fundraising copywriter Jeff Meredith: https://unfoldingthought.com/jeff-meredith-the-stories-behind-homelessness/
• The conversation with nonprofit executive director Andy Bales: https://unfoldingthought.com/20-andy-bales-from-poverty-to-purpose/
• Timothy P. Carney’s Alienated America: https://amzn.to/4rqSfnA

For more episodes: https://unfoldingthought.com

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