When author Peter Heller was a kid, playgrounds weren't really his thing. Instead, it was the bushes and trees around the playground that he found himself drawn to time and again. For anyone who has read his books, this tracks. In Heller's writing, the natural world looms just as large as any of his carefully wrought characters—whether that's Hig in The Dog Stars, or Jess in his most recent novel, Burn.

In this episode, Part Two of our conversation with Peter, we talk about his move to fiction at the age of 50, his introduction to flyfishing, and how the natural world informs his work.

You can find Part One of our conversation with Peter Heller here.

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