It’s the last podcast of 2023, but Rocky (she/her) and Brig (she/he) couldn’t make it too easy on themselves. We covered Taylor Swift’s most seminal album to date, 1989, plus its recent rerecording. Is it as good as music journalists from roughly 2016-2019 said it was? How does Taylor’s version hold up with Max Martin on the ones and twos? Persons of interest include Mariska Hargitay, Welvin Da Great, and Henry Kissinger.

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