Jen talks to her old friend and first person to put her on a podcast - Paul F. Tompkins about their time together as friends, on the Pod F. Tompkast show, going to therapy, having fun, touring, ironing, swimming, and so much more! This episode is sponsored by talkspace.com use offer code JEN at checkout and Petal Card petalcard.com/fun

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