You know, it's funny that one of the main topics Phaline Conklin shared in this conversation was "second chances." Just the day before I was listening to another podcast and they mentioned that. I thought, "Oh, I'm totally going to ask Phaline about second chances." So much of Phaline's story is moved by trying again. I'm so grateful that in this life, we have a Savior who makes second chances real and true. Thanks to Phaline for sharing so much light.