This episode contains discussions of domestic and family violence, drug use, and the use of homophobic slurs and explicit language.

Phil is a men's behaviour change specialist who works with men who cause harm. From his home office in Lismore, Phil talked to Gemma about the challenges and complexities involved in working with men in this space, objectification and homophobia as expressions of masculinity and the importance of support networks. 

If Gemma's conversation with Phil brings anything up for you, you can call any of the following:

Lifeline on 13 11 14 for suicide prevention services, mental health support and emotional assistance

1800RESPECT on 1800 737 732  for counselling and support for people impacted by sexual assault and family and domestic violence

Mens Line Australia on 1300 789 987