Michael Phillip is talking to people. Hundreds of fascinating philosophers, academics, psychologists, scientists, and crazy mystics on his show Third Eye Drops. He is helping to untangle esoterica in the Western world. And one of the most important discoveries he's made on his incredibly popular podcast, Third Eye Drops, is that Philosophers are actually mystics. Plato, for example, has been framed by history as a man who understood reason, and the world, in a secular, grounded way. This is true in some aspects, but if we haven't read the Timmaeus, we're not fully appreciating how mystical and how esoteric Plato truly was... there's a reason that Cave metaphor inspired by the Matrix.

Michael and I talk about how he got into this world of podcasting and esoterica, how his friend Don Hoffman PhD sees the world, as well as touching on our historical faves from Plotinus to Jesus to Jung. Enjoy.

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