In Part Two of this 3-part series, Katherine stays grounded (figuratively) while flying deep (literally) with Marco and Nate, two seasoned regional pilots with 17 years of experience between them. This time, the conversation gets personal—and sometimes hilariously honest—as they dive into the emotions, stereotypes, and unexpected curveballs that come with a life spent in the sky. From the thrill of flying next to eagles to dealing with burnout, to answering the age-old question: have you ever been struck by lightning? (Spoiler: you’ll want to buckle up for that one.)

Writers and storytellers, this episode is also a quiet masterclass in character work. Whether you’re building an airline pilot protagonist or just want to capture the feeling of someone balancing logic, emotion, and a checklist, these two are gold. Part 2 lets you sit in the jump seat and hear what it really feels like to live a life above the clouds.

Let’s hang.

TIMESTAMPS

00:00:57 What are typical emotions that you yourself go through? The anger, frustration, bliss.What's a sort of something that you experience on the daily, or that you would hope to experience on the daily, but instead you get X, Y, Z?

00:03:03 Now, why is it that you won't [the photo]?

00:06:03 "Actually, you ever been struck by lightning?"

00:08:42 So I'm hearing about eagles flying beside you, and these beautiful weather-related experiences. Is there anything else that really gets you excited about piloting and aviation that just makes your job fucking worth it?

00:12:58 What is the typical dress of those in either piloting or aviation? Does it vary based on what plane you're flying or what airline?

00:16:20 Do you get roasted a lot in this field?

00:18:35 What is the most draining part of the job? Something that is like your least favorite thing to do.

00:20:37 You touched on some stereotypes, but are there any stereotypes or cliches that you would like to take this platform to debunk?

00:23:57 So you mentioned that there were some things that might pop up where the plane is still operational.

00:30:09 So Murphy's Law states that anything that can go wrong will go wrong. What is something that perhaps is often overlooked or forgotten, that you need to just make sure that you flip this or check this?

00:34:19 Is there such thing as being too long in the industry, where there are pilots where it's just like, oh boy, you need to retire.

00:35:54 What is something that will take you off the roster?

00:39:51 So what kind of other sounds do you encounter?

00:42:57 I'm curious, like Florence Nightingale was a hero for nurses, like Arnold Schwarzenegger is a role model for bodybuilders. Is there a hero for pilots?

00:48:58 Earlier in the podcast, you mentioned plateaus. Do you guys have any personal experiences with hitting that plateau?

00:56:16 Contract negotiations are just on fire for pilots right now.

00:58:22 So when you see this problem on the news about the pilot shortage…

01:04:02 Why is it that [Spirit] got such a bad rap then?

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