Fred and Matt are joined by their friend, Dr. Brian Carmichael, pastor of Holy Temple Missionary Baptist Church in Memphis. Dr. Carmichael also serves as the Black Church Specialist for the Tennessee Baptist Convention and as a Dean at Union University's MCUTS campus in Memphis. At Holy Temple, Dr. Carmichael followed his own father, who had been the founding pastor. He tells his story over this and next week's episode. Thanks for listening!