Our first episode ever with two guests, as Vera Drew became available shortly before this episode was set to record. We include her interview as a bonus. Evan Marlowe talks to us extensively about the challenges of making his puppet horror film "Abruptio," followed by Vera Drew chatting about overcoming obstacles both legal and practical to make the trans-friendly superhero parody "The People's Joker." Before we get to the featured interviews, Greg and Giles discuss what's new in weirdness this week, including an announcement of the possibly surreal "Heads or Tails?" starring John C. Reilly as Buffalo Bill Cody; "Nyaight of the Living Cat," a Takashi Miike-led feline anime premiering in 2025; and Blu-rays of the Lego-animated Pharrell Williams musical biopic "Piece by Piece," the dubious "Joker 2: Folie a Deux," and a re-release of Ralph Bakshi's gritty underground animated classic "Heavy Traffic." Then the meat of the show: 40 minutes on "Abruptio" and 20 minutes on "The People's Joker," with restaurant recommendations for Anaheim, CA and Mokena, IL.