On today's pod Shwin and Stacy discuss the Knicks' frustrating game 4 loss in Miami, Julius' non-existent defensive effort over two games in South Beach, how Thibs' limitations become increasingly clear in contrast with Spoelstra, why moving on from Julius and/or Thibs is reasonable but not straightforward, should we be optimistic about the scope for internal improvement given the Knicks' relative youth, and much more!