Defri Harianto Natan shared the joys and sorrows he experienced while completing his final project, his personal views on the recent chaos, and his big project with his friends on the Mantap Soul YouTube channel.

Defri faces ups and downs and quite complicated mind-set changes in his life. Even so, now Defri is a person who has principles and is influential in his social life. Departing from valuable experiences, such as being a student president, currently, Defri is developing himself further through his YouTube channel Mantap Soul Podcast. The content that is built is not content that is arbitrary but based on scientific views as well. Interestingly, you can listen to this conversation exclusively on Spotify.