CEO of Above Phone Hakeem Anwar joined Ryan at The Last American Vagabond podcast to discuss his revolutionary de-Googled privacy devices — now both a phone and laptop — and how now is the time to make this transition away from the controlled, manipulated, and surveilled devices that most of us carry.

It is in our best interest to understand the different options available to us — especially those that the system seems determined to keep from your view.

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