In this episode, Andrew and John rage. At the top of the episode, Andrew and John spend some time talking about the latest violence committed against the AAPI (Asian American Pacific Islander) community. This segment is heavy (topics like white supremacy, racism, toxic masculinity are discussed), but we encourage you to listen. Then a discussion of the 2001 Dogwood album "Matt Aragon." Plus a special guest joins the pod to break down some theological concepts around atonement theory. Album discussion begins at 33:05.

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