In this special edition bonus episode, Terence L. Shigg invites Shawn B. McCullers Esq. on the show to discuss policing and societies deliberate indifference to the problems facing Black people in America. Mr. Shigg and Mr. McCullers are both Black men and retired law enforcement officers with a unique perspective on policing. Mr. McCullers is a civil rights attorney and social justice advocate in Atlanta, Georgia. We discuss the 4th amendment, what to do if you are stopped by the police and the judicial system as a whole. 

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