In this episode we sit down with Kai Joseph who is a Black father and a police officer from Brooklyn raised in Long Beach. With everything going on in society  one can conclude that he exist in one of the most controversial intersections, so it was important for us to share this conversation with you. We discussed his views on fatherhood, the police as a whole, the Black Community and whether  realistic approaches to achieving a better society includes the abolition or reformation. We hope this conversation provides insight for you on how to move forward as we demand change. 

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