Continuing on in our politics series, Caleb and I bring the conversation to today and how things have changed for us but more importantly why. We know its a heavy topic but we hope you can stick with us as we try to keep it pretty light-hearted. By the end of the episode, you'll realize that neither Caleb nor I are very manly whatsoever so all of those Braveheart references never landed well for us.

Also, be very careful summoning the ghost of Mark Driscoll.