In this interview Nationals leader and Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack pointedly avoids saying Joyce should run again in his New England seat at the election.

Politics podcast: Michael McCormack on Barnaby's future, latte sippers and other matters

Welcome to Pasha, The Conversation Africa’s brand new podcast. In the spirit of The Conversation, Pasha – which means to inform in Swahili – will be bringing you some of the best and brightest research from academics across the continent. After nearly four years of publishing expert research, we’re thrilled to be bringing our own brand of smart journalism to a new audio format. Each episode will collect stories and commentary on a given theme.

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Politics podcast: Michael McCormack on Barnaby's future, latte sippers and other matters

Politics podcast: Michael McCormack on Barnaby's future, latte sippers and other matters